is that does it for us. thanks very much for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts now. "outfront" next, the hostage situation in alabama came to a violent end. we have an update on the gunman and the 5-year-old boy that was being held hostage. plus, last month, we brought you the story of the catholic hospital that said a fetus is not a person. tonight a dramatic development. and ted nugent, one of the nra's most vocal supporters

promises to bring massive truth to cnn tonight. he gives us an exclusive look at his ranch, the guns he owns, and why he believes guns are crucial for america. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news on the alabama hostage crisis. it is now over. 5-year-old ethan, the little boy's name, he's at a hospital. we found that out a few seconds ago. he's with his family. there's heavy security there as well tonight. and the big headline, he's safe. he was abducted from his school bus and held in an underground bunker for six days. we can also report that the kidnapper, 65-year-old jimmy lee dykes is dead. i want to get straight to martin savidge who is covering this story in midland city, alabama, about 100 miles south of montgomery. what more can you tell us about this little boy ethan and where he is and how he is tonight? >> we know he's surrounded by a very happy family. that would be his mother, his siblings, and extended family

and we have been told that he is in good shape physically. of course, what's got to be determined is how is he doing mentally after this long ordeal. >> i know that's going to be a big question. there have been reports that the little boy may have had some sort of autism. that he really could have some psychological challenges to deal with. what do you know, martin, about how this rescue happened. why it happened today, and not three days ago? >> yeah, well, i guess the reason that authorities said to us is they noted in the last 24 hours, there had been a breakdown in the attitude of mr. dykes. they had been in constant contact, but they noticed he had deteriorated. they also said they saw him with a weapon in such a way they thought he was threatening and the biggest fear was for the 5-year-old boy. that's when they decided to act. there was an explosion, gunfire. we didn't hear it here, but i got calls from people in the area saying did you hear? something is up? and of course, something was up. >> just to belabor the point, they who killed him as opposed

to jimmy lee dykes killing himself? >> that point, erin, is a good one, but it has not been fully clarified. we believe that is the way it went down. we're expecting a further update tonight, where they will go into details and take questions. we also note there were some assets of the u.s. military that were brought to bare. leon panetta personally approved the use of special equipment that apparently could be used like, say, for detecting ieds overseas. it was allowed to be used here. there were soldiers here. soldiers only used to operate the equipment, not in any way to go in with law enforcement. they don't have that power. >> how unusual is that, martin, that leon panetta of the defense department, that's the highest level of the american military system, would be involved in this? >> yeah, that's extremely unusual, you're right, erin. there were also reports of unmanned surveillance, drones, that have been used. that hasn't been concerned. but it gives you a sense there was from the highest levels a

very strong commitment and feeling of sympathy for the little boy and trying to get it resolved in a way where he was safe and that's what happened. >> martin savidge, thank you very much. everyone i know has been talking about the little boy and what it was like for him down in the darkness in that bunker. i want to bring in a psychiatrist and director of children's services for l.a. county hospitals, along with tom fuentes, a contributor for us. we know the ending here now. at least before the child begins his healing process, the child is physically safe. the kidnapper is dead. how could investigators have accomplished this without harming the child? >> it would have taken a great deal of planning and still. in the case of the fbi hostage team, they plan full-time for these kinds of events. they worked with negotiators. the fbi negotiating team came in with the hostage team.

they have worked together many times. they know what the capabilities are for each of their teams. and this planning would have begun from the first minute they arrived on the scene. because at the time, even from the beginning, the negotiators when they're establishing that line of communication, which they hope to be able to do as soon as possible, but when they establish that communication, the s.w.a.t. team has to immediately be prepared to do an assault and prepared to do a rescue in the event harm is happening to that boy. they don't have the luxury of sitting around for seven days and waiting until somebody decides. they have to be prepared from the first minute, 24 hours a day. that planning would have already gone on for a long time. from what i heard, the negotiations were starting to deteriorate. the mental attitude of dykes was starting to really get worse over the last couple of days. and the negotiators were becoming increasingly fearful that he saw no way out of this. that he knew he had committed a

murder. he knows he's an old man and that he felt that he had no way to come out of this. and the fear would be, as we have seen in so many other situations, oftentimes the person commits suicide but then kills everybody around them in the process. that would have been the fear here, he might in the process of deciding to take his own life, take the boy's life first and then take his own. they just couldn't have that. >> i want to ask you something more about that in a moment. first, doctor, i want to ask you about ethan. obviously, he's physically okay, but he's 5 years old. he's going to have his 6th birthday on wednesday of this week. he's a little boy. he has asperger's syndrome. we are also told he has attention deficit disorder. psychologically, how is this going to affect the little boy over the long term? >> i think any ability in any trauma that happens to a child, whether they have a psychiatric or mental health problem or not is going to fall heavily on them. the biggest message we can send to this child by his mother and father is he is safe and he is protected because he didn't feel

safe and he wasn't protected and he ended up in this situation. that's the biggest impact on a child, especially after something is resolved. luckily, this is successfully resolved. but safety and protection is key for him. >> and of course, we don't know at this point what happened? we don't know whether there was sexual abuse or physical abuse or what happened in the bunker. >> exactly. right. and i mean the tendency is going to be to swarm around him to get information, both to help him and to understand what went down, down under that ground. but the bottom line is, the next few days are critical for this boy to bond with his family, to feel safe and protected. >> so tom, i wanted to ask you a question when you were talking about the negotiators must have felt this was possibly going to end terribly, that the kidnapper could have killed the child and then killed himself, so they decided to intervene today. given that, how do you think this happened? as we're still trying to figure out whether jimmy lee dykes

killed himself or whether law enforcement were able to successfully kill him before he could kill the child. >> the fact that you have so many witness accounts of hearing a loud explosion followed by multiple shots or some type of gunfire would indicate he didn't commit suicide. i don't think he would be able to kill himself too many times. so the standard procedure in an operation like this would be for the assault team to introduce a grenade simulator, commonly called a flash bang, and what that does is in a confined area like a bricked-in bunker, that bang is so loud that it literally just freezes the nervous system of somebody so for a second or more they can't move, they're frozen, and during that time, the assault team rushes in. by the time he's recovering from the noise, if he has a weapon in his hand or begins to turn with the weapon in his hand, they can take him out. >> in a nutshell, i don't understand. if that's possible, why not do that right away? why wait six days? who cares? i'm sorry, who cares if you get the guy alive? you want to save the child from

the trauma. >> well, they do care if they get him alive. what they want to do is try to resolve this where everybody comes out of this alive, and the other thing that would be assessed and the s.w.a.t. team leader would be informed the on-scene commander from the beginning, they have formulated a plan, but what are the odds the plan would be successful. i can tell you having been a s.w.a.t. team member and a commander, the commander as well, that looking at pictures of that bunker, that was an extreme challenge. if i was the s.w.a.t. team leader making that plan, i would have informed the commander that this is going to be very difficult. the odds are not great. they're not up above 90% success. they're going to be somewhat lower than that, and who knows how low. if that commander on the first, second, third day decides that oh, we're going to go ahead. who cares if he dies? and the odds are that that boy ends up dead. you can't try to end this any sooner than you absolutely have to because of those risks to ethan. >> i understand, not as simple

as i thought. thanks so much to both of you. we're going to have much more on the story later in the show. we'll be speaking to a woman who lived through a similar ordeal, taken on a school bus, buried underground 36 years ago. she and 25 other children were abducted and held captive in that gruesome way. plus, president obama says he goes skeet shooting all the time, and the white house has released one photo. did it do more damage than good? and the mystery of why this happened at the super bowl last night. we shed some light on the subject later in the show. in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need

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our second story "outfront," a picture is worth 1,000 words, or is it? the white house released this picture of president obama shooting skeet at camp david on his birthday in august. it was released nearly a week after his interview with the "new republic" in which he declared, quote, at camp david, we do skeet shooting all the time. that was met with skepticism, so the white house put out one photo, but it is too little too late. >> i don't understand. they should have put the picture out earlier. i don't know why they waited five days to put that out because it just rekindled the whole story. >> "outfront," cnn contributor

david frahm and michael waldman. maybe president obama was hoping you both could help write his answers to the article. why do this? jay carney had to answer questions about this again. he told reporters the president made it clear, he grew up in hawaii, he spent time in california, chicago. this is not -- he never pretended to or suggested that he had grown up as a hunter. what is your reaction to that? it kind of brings it all back again. >> he was not hunting at harvard law. look, he kind of can't win or can't lose with this. he said, i think, very off the cuff, and honestly, yeah, we do skeet shooting. then people got hysterical, aha, he's lying, trying to pull a fast one. they released the photo. which is kind of funny, he looks really great doing the shooting,

so that, of course, once again, he manages to look very cool in what he's doing. i don't think this is going to be -- >> he looks cool in everything he does. he's got that way about him. >> i don't think this is going to make that big of a difference. i think if he were seriously thinking about it in political terms, it's a signal of reassurance that he's not against all guns. he's culturally understanding that a lot of people in america hunt and use sporting rifles. but i don't think that's why they released the photo. i think they were just trying to be responsive, and you know, no good deed goes unpunished. >> david, what is interesting about this is so you have people on both sides who aren't satisfied. on the left, let me play what jon stewart had to say because i thought he said it pretty darn well. here he is. >> the point is, mr. president, what are you doing? why try? as far as your opponents go, no measure of detaunce will ingratiate you to your opponent, it's a fool's errand, as was best summed up in the dr. seuss

classic, oh, the people who hate you. they don't like you shooting skeet, they do not like you eating meat. they do not like you drinking beer or even if you roped a steer. >> now we have his base is upset. why would you even think to put out this picture? >> jon stewart loves the president. look, 5% of americans over age 16 have a hunting license. hunting is a very minority and dwindling activity. it's an honored activity. it connects us deep to the american past. it's not what the gun debate is about. what the gun debate is about is the anxieties of middle-class, middle-aged americans about crime and insecurity. that's what the debate is about. so the president could -- he could disembowel a deer on naval television. it wouldn't make a difference. it's about fears and mayhem and crime. those who argue for more gun restrictions will say those fears are exaggerated.

the country is safe. it's never been safer. crime statistics are down. a gun in your house doesn't make your safe. it actually exposes your loved ones to greater harm of accident or suicide. if you're gone to engage the debate, you have to engage the debate where it is, and it is not about hunting deer or ducks. >> that's a fair point. >> it's interesting, when these debates happened 10 or 20 years ago, 2k5i6d david is exactly right. it was very much about the culture of the rural south being threatened. now it's about, as he says, a lot of these fears. but that's what's so interesting about the background check issue. back then, the nra said, no, no, no. don't ban assault weapons. let's just check and make sure that only law-abided citizens get guns. now that's what the white house or the president is proposing and all of a sudden, the nra is saying, no, no, no, it's a terrible idea. it's an interesting time. crime is so down, not just in new york but all over the

country. it really has opened up a possibility for a little bit less emotion and a little more commonsense on criminal justice laws generally, but this kind of rips the band-aid off a lot of people's fears, a lot of which are pretty irrational. >> i want to play one quick sound bite and talk about whether the nra has gone too far on their side. and first, how did you say it? >> inchoate. >> i am never sure how to say it. i'm so glad we have speechwriters on the show. they can use vocabulary and expand all of our enunciations. let me explain the difference between the nra and chris wallace on fox news this weekend. >> the president's kids are safe, and we're all thankful for it. the point of thad ad -- >> they don't have to face a threat that most children do not face. >> tell that to children in newtown. >> you really think the president's children are the same kind of target as every school child in america. that's ridiculous and you know it, sir. >> david, chris wallace tells the nra you're ridiculous and you know it, you might have

jumped the shark, if you're the nra. >> that's not what the polls are showing. there is tremendous sympathy for the nra and tremendous and rising, rising support for the most expansive vision of gun rights. that's the paradox. as americans become safer, as crime becomes less of a threat, americans seem to become more afraid and they turn to guns to make them safe. when they do that, they put their own children at risk of suicide and gun accidents. >> thanks very much to both of you. our third story "outfront" a change in tune. a catholic hospital's surprising defense in a wrongful death case involving unborn twin fetuses. lori was seven months pregnant when she went into cardiac arrest. she died and the twins died. when the husband sued the catholic hospital argued the fetuses were not people under colorado law. tonight the hospital in a

surprising about face called its defense -- >> the statement we received today from catholic health initiatives is a complete reversal from what his attorneys have argued in court for years. in court, catholic health initiatives have argued twins do not count as people. that's a direct contradiction to church teachings. they didn't just argue this once the hospitals groups lawyers have argued this repeatedly. the case is waiting to be heard in colorado supreme court. after local newspapers and this program pointed out the hypocrisy. here is what catholic health initiatives or chi is saying today. chi representatives acknowledged that it was morally wrong for attorneys representing st. thomas moore hospital to site the state's wrongful death act in defense of this lawsuit. the statement goes on to mention that the hospital outfit will

not site colorado's law that says fetuses are not people any more. why not? why now? the bishops say they weren't aware of what the lawyers were arguing. the bishop's say chi's upper management didn't know what it's own lawyers were arguing in court. after the news report, they say they became aware, they huddled and decided that the legal argument didn't align with church teachings. >> where does this lead the lawsuit? when you first aired this piece, i was moved by the father, jeremy talking, when you visited the cemetery with him when he was at the grave with his wife and children. what did he say to this news today? >> i did talk to jeremy today. he didn't know about the statement. i read it to him over the telephone. he said he was stunned saying he's in shock and added, wow! but here's what his attorney is saying. she says, this is a self-serving document. it is inaccurate as to how it

characterize the decisions of the lower court and the petition of the supreme court. it does not appear to reflect a real investigation. and does nothing to address the harm done to jeremy. she adds she's disappointed and jeremy stodghill has not heard from the hospital or the bishops of colorado. >> thank you very much. still to come, the kidnapping and hostage story comes to an end in alabama. 36 years ago, there was a group of school children. they were on the bus, they got taken, they got held hostage under ground they survived. one of them joins us tonight. this weekend, one of america's most celebrated snipers who served four tours with 160 confirmed kills in iraq was murdered by someone he brought to a gun range. one of his closest friends comes out front to explain why he thought that was a good idea. [ male announcer ] at his current pace,

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on reporting from the front lines and we begin with the super bowl blackout. what caused half the lights in the new orleans superdome to go out for 34 minutes? according to the power company which serves the superdome and the smg, which is a company that manages the superdome, it's a machine that monitors electrical

load detected an abnorm ailty and did what it was supposed 20 do in that case, which was to activate breakers and shut off the power. in case you were wondering, both smg and the commissioner said beyonce's halftime show had absolutely nothing to do with it. all right, in a press conference with french president francois hollande, vice president biden says he supports france's action in mali. the air force tells us that as of yesterday, u.s. c-17s have flown into mali, transporting 760 people and tons of equipment to french troops. france has been heavily involved in ousting the islamist rebels from key malian cities. today, ox fam said many food traders fled the region as the french troops advanced, causing food prices to rise as much as 20%. iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad joked today that he

would be willing to be the first man iranians sent into space. it came after their news agency said the country had successfully sent a monkey into orbit. you may remember that story, but john mccain got involved in this. he got onto the twitter and said, quote, so ahmadinejad wants to be the first iranian in space. wasn't he just there last week? i can warn you, calling people monkeys can be problematic. after receiving some criticism about the tweet, mccain tweeted again, clarifying it was a joke and telling people to lighten up. >> it has been 550 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? president obama signed an act that allows the house to pass a budget by mid-april or their pay will be weld. >> and today, the six-day hostage stand' off in alabama is over tonight. the 5-year-old boy named ethan is safe. he's in a hospital tonight with his family.

the abductor is dead after authorities entered the underground bunker where the trauma played out. it brings back painful memories to the victims of another kidnapping 36 years ago. it happened in california, three men hijacked a busload of 26 school children. they forced the driver and children to climb into a hole in the ground into a moving van which was buried underground in a quarry. the kidnappers then left their hostages buried for 16 hours, demanding $5 million in ransom. the hostages fortunately got out alive, and tonight, one of those victims is "outfront." thank you so much for joining us. i want to let everyone know, you're standing in front of that school bus, the very school bus you were on, which has become a bit of a memorial for the horrific thing you went through. you were 10 years old. what do you still remember, even now, about that day? >> um, certain smells, and how

edward was so brave for us. as their bus driver was for them. and how frightened all of us were. and -- oh. just how scared we all were. >> i mean -- sorry, go ahead. >> um, i just remember that day being probably one of the worst days ever in my life and of my classmates'. >> i know you have been through years and years, jodi, of therapy, of trying to come to terms with this. and i'm wondering what still is hardest for you, and what you would say to ethan's parents who are just beginning this process with that little boy? >> what i would say to them is

to always let him be open to what he needs to say to them. and let him say it when he needs to say it. not to force it. and to make sure that they do seek out therapy for him with someone who is qualified. >> and in your case, jodi, i know you were driven around for 11 hours before you were then put underground into that quarry. and then another 16 hours before you were able to escape. what do you recall from those hours that might help us all understand a little bit of what ethan has been going through for the past week? >> well, for us, i at least had the other kids to comfort me or to be around me, even though

right now -- or back then, i found it -- i couldn't stand them touching me. because they were, you know, urinating on us, and you know, the smell, and it was so hot. poor ethan only had this deranged man with a gun. and i can't imagine that poor boy being only 5, being alone with this deranged man with a gun. and at least the kids, the ones i was with, all of the children i was with, we had each other, and we had edward, our bus driver. the other children on the bus that ethan was on, they had to witness their bus driver be murdered and shot. and i can't imagine how horrific that was for them, and the pain that they still see and the nightmares they might have. and i just urge all the parents of all the children to allow those children to please let

them talk about it. and be open to it. and maybe even let them all get together alone and speak about it with each other because you know, none of us ever really sat down and talked about it ever to each other until recently. a group of us girls did speak about it, and we never, ever, ever talked about it. as a matter of fact, as soon as this happened to us, there were some that told our parents, just pretend like it never happened. and that's the way it was treated for years and years and years. and i did seek help from a doctor, and she helped me tremendously. and i'm very thankful for her. and i did seek help from my pastor. so i believe that that's what helped me. >> right. >> but i also believe that us talking together was very

healing for me, too, and i think it was healing for the other girls. and i wished we would have done it sooner. i think it would have helped us all with many problems that we experienced through our teens and our 20s that we may not have had. and i just urge all those parents to please let their children talk about it and get together without reporters and without anyone stopping them from what they feel and let them say it to each other. >> all right, jodi, thank you very much for taking the time to share that with us. and now we go to texas and the shooting murder of america's most lethal snipers, chris kyle. kyle was killed on saturday at a gun range, allegedly by a former marine who had been reportedly struggling with post traumatic stress disorder. with 160 confirmed killed, kyle was named the devil of ramadi and they placed a bounty on his head. the first kill was a woman who

cradled a toddler in one hand and a grenade in the other. he writes movingly about it in his book. "outfront," a close friend who is also a former navy s.e.a.l. he knew chris kyle for 17 years. thank you for coming on and talking about your friend. i know you had a chance today to spend time with chris's family. you've known him a long time. it's no secret, he was dedicated to helping other soldiers coming home from war who were strug e struggling with the adjustment. was the shooting range a regular part of that to help them? >> it was part of it. from what i understand, he had talked to the kid, called him up and was like hey, do you want to get together? get out of the house? kind of clear your head out, t's go down to the shooting range and throw some rounds down range, and kind of a way to blow off a little steam, yeah. >> and i want to ask you more about that in a moment, but first, we were able to find some tape of chris talking.

he was a very good speaker. he spoke at las vegas, at a gun show about the transition he went through from being a sniper who killed people. that's what he did, killed people, put them in his sights and killed people, to come home. here's a piece of what he said in that interview to guns.com. >> you know, we let our job identify who we are. you're honorable and you're doing it for the greater good. all of a sudden, you don't have an identity. you have to learn a whole new way to act because you can't act the same way we do in work out in public. people will think you're a savage or something, so it's hard to get your head around. you adjust, but it takes a while. >> did he ever talk to you about the difficulties he had in adjusting? >> yes, ma'am, of course. as navy s.e.a.l.s, as frogmen, we would very rarely go to the psychiatrist and psychologist to talk about our problems.

we would usually solve our problems in-house. you're talking about a guy who has been through similar situations and it makes it easy to relate to each other. what he was saying there is just, is part of it, part of the job. it's what we sign up for. we know what we're getting into. it's the reason the pipeline is so long. it's not something you go in, a couple weeks of training, you get dropped into. you know what you're getting yourself into. chris, he was very good at what he did. in the military. and he was also very good at what he did when he got out of the military. and sometimes those two things, they run over, they coexist, if you will, with each other. but at the end of the day, you know, you get up, shake it off. you surround yourself with the people you love like his family, his kids, his parents, brother, and that's the best way to do it. if you dwell on what you did as a job, it just sucks you down. you can't think about it like that. we're there for one reason, one reason only. we do it, get it done, get about

our businesses. >> let me ask you a little bit more, so many people trying to understand that soldiers would go to a shooting range. in some sense, i think it's understandable. it's what they were used to, what they were comfortable with, and it could help with the transition. there are reports, of course, as you're probably aware, that the alleged gunman was struggling to adjust. he may have been on suicide watch, was suffering from ptsd, and today, former congressman ron paul tweeted about your friend, chris. he said chris kyle's death seems to confirm that he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. treating ptsd at a firing range doesn't make sense. marcus, does it surprise you that chris would have taken a young man like this who was so fragile to a shooting range to treat ptsd, or do you think that would have been normal and understandable? >> is that what he said, huh? >> that's what ron paul said. what do you think about it? >> what i think about it is probably not good for tv.

but chris -- he's not a professional doctor. he's not qualified to treat people for ptsd. that wasn't the thing. he was just going there to get this kid to hang out with him, to get his mind off of whatever it was on. and to have a good time, just to get him out of the house. i don't think that whatever the reports are saying, you know, kind of being embellished a little bit. i don't think chris was there to treat him for anything. i think he was there to hang out with him as a fellow veteran and to try to be a friend and someone just to hang out with. >> marcus, thank you very much for coming on and talking about your friend. chris kyle appeared on conan o'brien's show to talk about his book and the bounty insurgents put on his head. you can see that interview on cnn.com. it's on our home page. one of the nra's most vocal supporters, ted nugent, gives us an exclusive look at his ranch and the guns he owns. during our visit, he makes a promise to america.

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shooting guns with ted nugent. our deb feyerick was invited the the rocker's ranch to talk hunting, self-defense, and the second amendment. >> fire in the hole. >> for ted nugent, gun control is putting the second bullet in the same hole as the first. >> two down. >> a lot of people look at the tragedy at sandy hook and they say, something's got to be done. >> agreed, something has to be done. >> they point to weapons that were used as the cause. >> it's not the weapons. the weapons have nothing to do with it. these -- again, these weapons are in every pickup truck in texas. ♪ >> the famed platinum-selling rocker is passionate about his music, his family, and his firearms. he's fiercely protective of the rights of law-abiding gun owners, and he's invited us to his 300 acre ranch in waco, texas, to explain why. >> i'll give you some real eye

candy in a second. >> we see wild turkey and black buck antelope, all fair game during hunting season. like tens of millions of americans, nugent grew up hunting with his dad and brothers. guns are a family tradition he has avidly passed on to his wife and kids. if somebody close to you were killed by a gunman, would your views on guns change? >> absolutely not. no, i would never turn against this wonderful tool that brings me self defense capabilities and brings me great joy in competition and marksmanship training. deb, you climb up this platform. >> i'm trying to understand the nature of the hunt. >> when i get up here, i'm not kidding you, i do 79 concerts, and i get up here, strap myself in, take a deep breath, and i sit here for six hours. >> so, it's meditative to you? >> absolute meditation. >> have you ever tried yoga? >> i think this is the supreme

yoga. >> nugent's passion for guns and the second amendment belief in the right to bear arms has transformed nugent in the sometimes fanatical face of the national rifle association. >> boy, you are a city girl. you stand kind of like you're golfing. you squeeze the trigger. >> as he teaches me gun safety, he repeatedly emphasizes gun violence is caused by criminals, mentally ill, and criminals who are released too soon. he believes limiting guns and ammunition will not stop tragedies like the massacre at sandy hook elementary. >> the argument that was made is that he was allowed to kill as many people as he did because it had multiple bullets and he was able to just keep firing. >> deb, the rate of fire in all of these mass shootings, it's not a matter of bullets or fire power. a quail gun in the wrong hands is as deadly as this gun. people have got to come to that

reality. >> the ability to defend his family is something he takes very, very seriously. >> when i'm being assaulted at my home, i and i alone by any consideration whatsoever, will determine how many bullets i need to protect my family. >> nugent has been a sheriff's deputy for 30 years and carries a concealed glock at all times. so i want you and i to solve this problem of gun violence. >> there is no gun violence. there is criminal violence, and they use an assortment of tools. >> let's talk about background checks. >> i like background checks. >> yes, but not at gun shows or with private sales. a lot of people in law enforcement have to take a psychological exam before they're allowed to carry. so why not ordinary citizens. >> well, i wrote wango tango and i carry a gun. >> he sticks to his guns literally. for him, the second amendment is

nonnegotiable. >> america, my name's ted nugent and these are all legal guns and i'm going to see they remain legal because they're all good. >> it was just amazing to see. at the end there when you showed the guns, some with the pink camouflage, you said his wife is also into shooting, how many guns does he have? >> over 200 guns. he has israeli uzis, guns made in romania, in serbia. the ar doesn't sand for assault rifle it stands for armelite. >> ar-15, bushmaster, that was used in newtown. >> he has one of those, too. he has everything. he really has a big stockpile of guns. he collects them the way you and i might collect watches or collect cars, for example. >> wow, okay. president obama has said he doesn't have any intention of confiscating guns, that is not his goal. he's not trying to attack the second amendment. nugent, though, doesn't believe him. >> no. >> why? >> not at all.

the way he sees it, he says, look, the majority of guns are in the hands of law abiding citizens. the minority are in the hands of criminals. they're the ones committing the crimes. that's why he says, why is the government coming after us saying we're going to ban the guns when we're not the ones doing anything? he focuses on criminality, people who have mental illness, making sure people stay in prisons long enough. he says it's not the gun. that's really the point that the nra is trying to convey as part of this debate that's going on in the country right now. >> what would he do if there were a gun ban, just ignore it? >> in many cases, yes. if you take all the guns away tomorrow, people are out there who will find and get their hands on guns. >> there are hundreds of millions of guns out there. >> absolutely. do you hand in your guns? that's the slippery slope he sees, once you start in that direction you're going to be giving up these things or law enforcement is going to be coming and trying to register them. there's a whole series of reasons why they simply do not

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